The Senate Passed it
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Col, the reason I like the article is that it tries to put aside all the rhetoric and emotion and look at it from a strictly academic POV. However, like I said, the lens they look through is always going to be slightly distorted.
Thanks for the link, T. Interesting how things get so twisted, isn't it?
Melissa Bennett
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Interesting how both sides can twist it though. Since non of us have our hands on the actual bill I guess we really cannot say for sure what is in there. I think it is disturbing that we the American people are not made aware of all the little crap that they sneak into these bills. Just seems wrong in my opinion.
ColleenSwerb
Brodo gettin her Swerb on
This site has a listing by state of what's being funded by the stimulus:
Stimulus Watch
Stimulus Watch
nun69
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I didn't read everything here and I don't even know much about what's going on since I haven't seen the news since Nov 30th!!! {well off and on}, but being in the military and serving in Kuwait, the best thing our gov't could do is pull us the hell out of this war that we have no reason to be fighting....just FYI, I make and extra $800 a month {tax free} for serving my country in a warzone...now don't get me wrong, I think everyone over here deserves that, but imagine when you multiply that number times 1000's not to mention the $$$ spent on supplies, vehicle contracts, jet fuel, etc....so my 2 cents, we may be able to help the economy a little more if the gov't decided that there where better places and uses for our tropps right now than in the Middle East...ok, that was my 2 cents 
I hope nobody is offended, but I just figured since I was in the military I could give my opinion about the war
I hope nobody is offended, but I just figured since I was in the military I could give my opinion about the war
Traci Reed
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I didn't read everything here and I don't even know much about what's going on since I haven't seen the news since Nov 30th!!! {well off and on}, but being in the military and serving in Kuwait, the best thing our gov't could do is pull us the hell out of this war that we have no reason to be fighting....just FYI, I make and extra $800 a month {tax free} for serving my country in a warzone...now don't get me wrong, I think everyone over here deserves that, but imagine when you multiply that number times 1000's not to mention the $$$ spent on supplies, vehicle contracts, jet fuel, etc....so my 2 cents, we may be able to help the economy a little more if the gov't decided that there where better places and uses for our tropps right now than in the Middle East...ok, that was my 2 cents
Haha, I have this same opinion but it's often not my place to state it
nun69
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Haha, I have this same opinion but it's often not my place to state it
ok, well it's nice to know I am not the only one that feels this way
ColleenSwerb
Brodo gettin her Swerb on
But we can't just bring back thousands of troops at the drop of a hat either.
Traci Reed
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Nah but we can bring em back pretty quickly if we tried
Melissa Bennett
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As a military wife and vet myself, I really think we are long overdue for bringing back our troops. I agree the cost of this war is just to much in price and life. I also know after being a military wife for 17 years that there is many other areas they could fix and save money too. I cannot believe the absolute waste in money they do in the military.
I was going to say the same thing. I think if the general public realized just how wasteful military spending is they'd be really appalled. It certainly surprised me and this is just over three years. I can just imagine what you've seen in 17 years.
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scarletsierra
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Troop withdrawal is inevitable. And I believe it should be, and will be, done responsibly. And as another military wife I'm with Melissa and Lynette on this.
About the medical stuff in the bill...I'm not so concerned that this is about the gov't mandating care decisions, etc. From what I understand the language is vague and potentially dangerous. That's what makes me uncomfortable. Not that the provisions couldn't be a good thing...it's just vague and to some people (who don't support universal health care) is evidence of socialized medicine on the horizon in the United States.
Chelsey and Traci thanks for the articles.
btw, total appropriations for the Iraq war over 6 years is less than this one stimulus bill. Heck even less than the previous bailout bill: cost of war. But that, of course does not include all peripheral impacts (and more important ones, imo like loss of life), etc. and some contend that none of those monies should ever have been spent, so take that into account. However, it does put spending by Congress into perspective.
The HUGE bailout package put forth by the Bush administration (which still has done nothing stimulate the banking industry, credit, the economy) and now this GInormous spending bill...that's a whole lot of money (which we don't have btw) being spent. Our money.
I'm just saying that there is a pattern of fiscal irresponsibility and the missue of our tax dollars by our government. The stakes are higher than ever right now, so I think it's okay for people to be concerned and not want this ramodded down their throats. This should be scrutinized IMO.
That's not to say, however, that there aren't good provisions in the bill. There are. But this doesn't have to be the politics of fear game (which liberals are just as good at as the conservatives, imo) of "we must pass this bill right this moment or a depression is imminent" sentiments flying around. It's not a choice between pass this bill and do nothing. It's a choice of passing the bill as is or improving and and passing a better one. Which, in the end, I think will happen. Because I'm an eternal optimist despite my better judgement.
FTR, I'm a former uber liberal ideologue turned independent with a streak of libertarianism, so this isn't remotely about partisanship for me. It's about active citizenship.
About the medical stuff in the bill...I'm not so concerned that this is about the gov't mandating care decisions, etc. From what I understand the language is vague and potentially dangerous. That's what makes me uncomfortable. Not that the provisions couldn't be a good thing...it's just vague and to some people (who don't support universal health care) is evidence of socialized medicine on the horizon in the United States.
Chelsey and Traci thanks for the articles.
btw, total appropriations for the Iraq war over 6 years is less than this one stimulus bill. Heck even less than the previous bailout bill: cost of war. But that, of course does not include all peripheral impacts (and more important ones, imo like loss of life), etc. and some contend that none of those monies should ever have been spent, so take that into account. However, it does put spending by Congress into perspective.
The HUGE bailout package put forth by the Bush administration (which still has done nothing stimulate the banking industry, credit, the economy) and now this GInormous spending bill...that's a whole lot of money (which we don't have btw) being spent. Our money.
I'm just saying that there is a pattern of fiscal irresponsibility and the missue of our tax dollars by our government. The stakes are higher than ever right now, so I think it's okay for people to be concerned and not want this ramodded down their throats. This should be scrutinized IMO.
That's not to say, however, that there aren't good provisions in the bill. There are. But this doesn't have to be the politics of fear game (which liberals are just as good at as the conservatives, imo) of "we must pass this bill right this moment or a depression is imminent" sentiments flying around. It's not a choice between pass this bill and do nothing. It's a choice of passing the bill as is or improving and and passing a better one. Which, in the end, I think will happen. Because I'm an eternal optimist despite my better judgement.
FTR, I'm a former uber liberal ideologue turned independent with a streak of libertarianism, so this isn't remotely about partisanship for me. It's about active citizenship.
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Thanks for that link, it was an interesting read. I definitely agree with a lot of the points they make.
jessica31876
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ok here is a perfect example of something I do not think is necasary:
17 billion dollars being spent in Puerto Rico on some energy bill. Or suggested to be spent I suppose because from what I read on that site it says these are all just proposed spending not approved yet.
http://www.stimuluswatch.org/project/view/3349
17 billion dollars being spent in Puerto Rico on some energy bill. Or suggested to be spent I suppose because from what I read on that site it says these are all just proposed spending not approved yet.
http://www.stimuluswatch.org/project/view/3349
nun69
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sure we can...why are we here in the first place? Iraq has already taken back the Green Zone and there are no more American Troops there....and tell me why we are in Kuwait?and being in the military for 18 years, I have seen what the gov't can spend it's money on....
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Isn't Kuwait largely a staging ground for supplies, etc for Iraq? I know my DH was in Kuwait for a month before they came home loading up cargo ships.