I'm depressed...

d2vasquez said:
I feel for you Paula and can definitely share your pain. It is absolutely unbelievable as Shannon said. My girls and quite a number of other children have also been bully'd at school for not declaring openly whom they would vote for. I had told my girls to not get into it but it was very sad watching them go to school knowing that there were going to be lot of people very upset today. I won't lie it is kind of scary to hear their talk because in all honesty their parents are so not like that - or I hope not.
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It is sad to see our kids going through this. I never publicly stated who I supported until this thread LOL. My DH and I were divided on this - I was for McCain and he was for Obama. I like the way he put it - he said that since he works for the Department of the Interior that he was electing his new boss. LOL
 
My daughter very publicly states who she supports as they have had numerous political discussions in school and she belongs to the young republicans club at her school. She has been told by numerous students that makes her a racist. That makes me angry. My husband was told at his job that he was wasting his vote and that he is stupid if he votes for Mccain(the latter part about being stupid coming from his BOSS!!). He however did not advertise who he was voting for. They all assumed because he is white he would vote that way. Oh and one of the guys at his job offered to pay him to vote for Obama. I told him he should have reported that but he said no he has no proof that it was said. So Im really not happy with the way things are going in my area.

Paula said:
Shannon, all three of my little punkeroos were born in Utah. The girl that confronted my DD was a 14 yo african american girl at their HS who assumed that since my DD was white, that she supported McCain. Why she would tell my DD to go find another country to live in, I have no idea and I don't want to speculate.

I called the school and talked with the principal and he has scheduled a school wide conference tomorrow during first period to talk to the kids about the election and the results in an effort to try to get them to understand tolerance.
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Remember, Amber, that we became a nation so that we could choose our religion, and a country "on our knees" is the most unappealing hellish place in the world to me. I would be miserable in a place that expected prayer, as I know many of you would be miserable in a place that did not respect prayer. One of the best things about this country is that we have religious freedom. And what falls under that is having no religion at all. I don't believe in God, I don't believe in prayer, but I would never deny anyone else that.
Always remember that we sailed away from religious bondage 300 years ago and created the country we have today based on the fact that we all have the right to choose. Some of us choose not to pray.
 
Voodoo_Bryn said:
Remember, Amber, that we became a nation so that we could choose our religion, and a country "on our knees" is the most unappealing hellish place in the world to me. I would be miserable in a place that expected prayer, as I know many of you would be miserable in a place that did not respect prayer. One of the best things about this country is that we have religious freedom. And what falls under that is having no religion at all. I don't believe in God, I don't believe in prayer, but I would never deny anyone else that.
Always remember that we sailed away from religious bondage 300 years ago and created the country we have today based on the fact that we all have the right to choose. Some of us choose not to pray.
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Not exactly true, but I don't want an argument so I'll be quiet.
 
We're already arguing (rather nicely) Paula, might as well state your opinion.

I agree with Bryn. Whether I pray or not, is no one's business but mine. That's pretty much the basis of religious freedom.
 
lizzyfizzy said:
when it's all said and done, i believe obama to be an very very smart man and also one who claims to be a christian. i can't and won't take that away from him and i respect him for it. i think in the end he honestly wants the best for our nation even if many of his fundamental values don't align with mine and again i have to respect him for that. i'm ok today. there is a brighter light shining in on me. i'll continue to speak the name of my Savior everywhere i go and my prayers for our president will still ring loud in our home. we're gonna be ok. this is know.
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Lizzy, these are my sentiments exactly. My DH and I had this discussion on the way home from work today and we both feel the same way.
 
We do have the freedom to choose worship and how it plays (or doesn't) in our lives, but we cannot deny the fact that the founding fathers were quite religious and that it was pivotal in the events of that day. We don't need to rewrite history just because we have different religious views. Just because we finally abolished slavery and continue to pursue equality doesn't mean that Jefferson didn't have slaves.

I'm sorry to hear about the people that cannot be gracious winners or losers. I hope the assembly goes well at your daughter's school, Paula. You'll have to keep us posted.
 
First off, my comment wasn't meant to offend or question anyone's religion or lack thereof. It was only to dispute the historical accuracy of Bryn's comment. Whether you pray or not is not my business and I have always felt that religion is a very private matter.

Now, for the historical part. The people came to this country because they didn't want to belong to a state religion. They didn't want to be forced to worship the way England dictated they would. They also didn't feel that religion and government should be tied to one another, but felt that they should be separate.

Jefferson himself was believed to be an Agnostic, but in the Declaration of Independence, it doesn't say that they wanted freedom of religion, that is in the Bill of Rights. In the DofI, it does state that they believed that ALL men are created equal and endowed with rights like life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The freedom of religion part came later in the Bill of Rights, but it wasn't their main reason for wanting a free country, they wanted to be a free country to escape oppression from the king of England.
 
Paula said:
First off, my comment wasn't meant to offend or question anyone's religion or lack thereof. It was only to dispute the historical accuracy of Bryn's comment. Whether you pray or not is not my business and I have always felt that religion is a very private matter.

Now, for the historical part. The people came to this country because they didn't want to belong to a state religion. They didn't want to be forced to worship the way England dictated they would. They also didn't feel that religion and government should be tied to one another, but felt that they should be separate.

Jefferson himself was believed to be an Agnostic, but in the Declaration of Independence, it doesn't say that they wanted freedom of religion, that is in the Bill of Rights. In the DofI, it does state that they believed that ALL men are created equal and endowed with rights like life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The freedom of religion part came later in the Bill of Rights, but it wasn't their main reason for wanting a free country, they wanted to be a free country to escape oppression from the king of England.
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I wasn't offended by your statement at all Paula :)

I just think that the part I bolded MEANS that they left England FOR religious freedom.
 
I am feeling better today about Obama winning. I am still scared, but I have faith that he was elected for a reason. I will pray for him to have the wisdom and support he needs to unify this country.
 
Thanks Col!! That's one reason they left England. =)) The other was to escape the oppression of the king.
 
yes, they left for freedom of religion, but it was freedom for their religion. The Puritains are not known for their religious tolerance. They wanted the freedom to practice their religion without government interference, but they were not particularly interested giving others the same freedom in their American settlements. The Catholics in Maryland weren't wild about it either. They were looking for freedom for themselves, not freedom for everyone.
 
I'm feeling better today too. Still not fond of the outcome but I feel a lot more positive. I'd be be an idiot to think my life should be depressed simply because I didn't "get my way". Today's a new day and tomorrow will be another and for that fact, I am happy as can be. :) Opposition and anger will only stress me and I have far better things to focus on...like the way my son's smile makes me melt. :P
 
mturnidge said:
While I really disagree with a lot of Obama's plans, I wouldn't jump to conclusions that we will immediately be "doomed" to a socialist society. I do have faith in our checks and balances. The president can't just make up laws and put them into effect... we have the House and the Senate... and the Justices. Don't forget that they are there to prevent total rule by one man. SO, I'm hopeful. :)
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That is one of the things that makes our Country great...our founding fathers had great wisdom and amazing their insight in how a country should be run well over 200 years ago...and it still applies to today! (ok I'm probably going to be corrected on when everything actually went into effect...but you all KWIM!?!) lol

I'm feeling better today...I really thought about some of the things being said here...people must have seen something that I hadn't seen. I believe everything happens for a reason...so I have to believe that God has a plan. Just keep your family close and hug them and tell them you love them.

Support our military! Find someone you know that has a family member or friend away from home serving our Country...drop them a care package in the mail or at least send them a handmade note telling them how much you appreciate them. Make someone's day that probably hasn't been told in awhile that back here in the grand 'ol USA we care!
 
Sharon Kay said:
Support our military! Find someone you know that has a family member or friend away from home serving our Country...drop them a care package in the mail or at least send them a handmade note telling them how much you appreciate them. Make someone's day that probably hasn't been told in awhile that back here in the grand 'ol USA we care!
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AMEN, and thank you!
 
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