I FINALLY found a good photobook printer!

I'm sorry Megan - I am soooo confused. I want to eventually put my LO's in an album but am confused about what size you make the LO to upload and all this talk about bleeding and .25 is making my brain hurt. Can you explain, in dumb dumb terms for me, what I would need to do to: #1 - Do a 12 x 12 album correctly (I've done all my LO's as 12x12 and I just fill up the page - there are no white edges on my borders but I don't want to lose anything). #2 - If I wanted the hardcover book(like the 10x10 or 8x8) but I have 12x12 LO's, what do I do the make those fit? I use PSE3 if that helps any. If this is too much to ask or someone knows a tutorial on what to do, I'll be happy to look at it.
 
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momtutu said:
I'm sorry Megan - I am soooo confused. I want to eventually put my LO's in an album but am confused about what size you make the LO to upload and all this talk about bleeding and .25 is making my brain hurt. Can you explain, in dumb dumb terms for me, what I would need to do to: #1 - Do a 12 x 12 album correctly (I've done all my LO's as 12x12 and I just fill up the page - there are no white edges on my borders but I don't want to lose anything). #2 - If I wanted the hardcover book(like the 10x10 or 8x8) but I have 12x12 LO's, what do I do the make those fit? I use PSE3 if that helps any. If this is too much to ask or someone knows a tutorial on what to do, I'll be happy to look at it.
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Hey Kelli, do you keep your layered files? Or do you only have the jpegs? Let me know.... I could do a tutorial for you, k?
 
i keep my layered files. i am really interested in this. i was going to have my pro lab print an album but it was going to be 150 bucks and i can't cough that much up right now...LOL
 
I don't usually keep the layered PSD files. Once I'm done with a lo, I merge all the layers and then save as a jpeg and then I also make the lo smaller and save for web. Should I be saving the layers? I always figured if I'm done with it, I could just save two things instead of 3. Thanks for your help!!
 
momtutu said:
I don't usually keep the layered PSD files. Once I'm done with a lo, I merge all the layers and then save as a jpeg and then I also make the lo smaller and save for web. Should I be saving the layers? I always figured if I'm done with it, I could just save two things instead of 3. Thanks for your help!!
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I always keep my layered files... some people keep them for a short time. I like to have my layered files so I can fix typos, change stuff if I need to, and it helps if I need to make a gift in a hurry and I can just switch out my photos for someone else... and so I can make sure that whoever I decide to print with I can adjust the margins for bleed. Book printers need the bleed room so your pages have no white edges on them. They get printed adn trimmed so the image extends all the way to the edges. Plus, you want to make sure you're got some wiggle room for your spine so things aren't getting lost in the binding.

You could still make a book if you wanted to though. Your 12x12 should be uploaded at 12.25x12.25, so you can resize like this....
Go to Image>Resize>Canvas Size, check the box for "Relative" and resize the width and height to 0.25. This should make your canvas larger but your page will remain the same size. You'll see a white or transparent border around your page. Then, if you don't want white edges, you could take your eye dropper tool to sample your LO's background paper and then use your paint bucket to fill the canvas. Then you'd have your LO with a small border all the way around in a color similar to your BG paper and it wouldn't be as obvious as a white border. If any of your LO have really important stuff (like journaling) RIGHT on the edge, I'd make your page a little smaller on that new canvas so you'd have a bigger border (1/4" border on each side rather than 1/8" border... adding 0.25 inches to your LO ends up as 1/8 border on each side). Does that make sense?

My understanding is that with Viovio, you can upload the 12x12's for any size square book, but you'd need to make your margins larger because as they resize your 12x12 down, the margins will get smaller (i.e. .25 border on a 12x12 does not make a .25 border on an 8x8).
 
Thank you, thank you!!! I have been deliberating this back and fourth. I found a great printer for my 12x12 pages, but really wanted to do a book too. Creative memories is crazy expensive and this looks awesome. :)
 
thanks for the review. i'm gonna check them out. i have all of my current stuff sized for shutterfly, and won't redo them. but for future pages, i'm gonna check out viovio.
thanks!
 
Ok Megan, another question...I enlarged my canvas and painted it to match my border and saved it. I am just uploading it to viovio for grins and it sure is taking a long time to upload that jpg. Is the "pdf upload wizard" faster? I could start saving the pdf files and do it that way if it is.
 
momtutu said:
Ok Megan, another question...I enlarged my canvas and painted it to match my border and saved it. I am just uploading it to viovio for grins and it sure is taking a long time to upload that jpg. Is the "pdf upload wizard" faster? I could start saving the pdf files and do it that way if it is.
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I wouldn't know how to do a pdf upload... for that I think you upload your entire book in one pdf...

I uploaded my jpegs and when I just uploaded a few it didn't take very long at all. But I have a high speed connection.
 
I've got a high speed connection too but it sure seemed slow. I looked again and you're right, the pdf thing is to upload the entire book.

Ok, I've gone back to all of my layouts that I've done (only 27 total hehe) and changed the canvas size. I'll do that from here on out on the rest of my layouts. Thanks again!
 
Definitely zip up your files too! It'll take time to upload, but you can walk away and do other things. Better than uploading 20-30 individual files!
 
Ok, I'll bite - how do you zip up your files? I'm maybe I should just start my own "Let's all get together and help the dum-dum scrapper" thread!! :-)
 
Well, most windows comes with a program called winzip, if not, you can download it free I believe.

You select all the files you want and right click, you should have an option to zip, compress or add to archive. Then it'll zip them up! That's the short version. If that doesn't help, let me know! (or maybe someone else has a better short version..)
 
Ok, got it - so I looked at this and so when I click on several things, then right click, I get "send to" and there is a compressed/zip folder. So then....where is this folder located? Do I get to decide? How many files can go in there? And then, when I go to upload files on VV (for instance), that one zip file will go in one slot right? And that will open up all of the pictures separately into VV?
 
I have heard great things about them, but honestly their website is such I mess, I won't bother with it.
 
momtutu said:
Ok, got it - so I looked at this and so when I click on several things, then right click, I get "send to" and there is a compressed/zip folder. So then....where is this folder located? Do I get to decide? How many files can go in there? And then, when I go to upload files on VV (for instance), that one zip file will go in one slot right? And that will open up all of the pictures separately into VV?
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You should get to pick the folder. I think digiscrapinfo recommended putting 30-50 mb's of layouts in each folder, I think for me that was 10-15 but I don't remember for sure. And yes, it goes in one slot and opens all the pictures separately!
 
Question, Megan!!

I uploaded my files to Viovio and when I preview my book/pages, there is white at the top and bottom of the "page". How do I fix that?

If it helps, I'm doing a 12x12 square book...er..trying to.

Thank you so much!
 
NewbieScrapGirl said:
Question, Megan!!

I uploaded my files to Viovio and when I preview my book/pages, there is white at the top and bottom of the "page". How do I fix that?

If it helps, I'm doing a 12x12 square book...er..trying to.

Thank you so much!
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Hmmm... what size did you upload? Is it 12x12 or 12.25x12.25? Maybe just email their customer service at [email protected] and they should be able to help you with that! Sorry, I didn't have that problem. Definitely contact them, they were super helpful!
 
NewbieScrapGirl said:
uh-oh

They were 12x12, probably. Was the 12.25x12.25 referring to someone doing what I'm doing? Sorry...I'm so new to this!

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No problem! Viovio recommends uploading pages that are 0.25 inches bigger on each side. They will take your 12.25x12.25 page and trim off the edge (so make sure you don't have anything really important on the edge or it will get cut off) so it is 12x12. Then they'll bind that into the book so you wanna really make sure nothing really important like text is really close to the edge so it doesn't get lost in the binding (this goes for any photobook printer... they all need some bleed room so they can trim and bind). Does that make sense? I personally make sure important stuff is at least 1/4 inch away from each edge and I've never had anything chopped off.

For 12x12 books upload 12.25x12.25 pages
10x10 upload 10.25x10.25 pages
8x8 upload 8.25x8.25 pages
 
Thank you so much for your help. And you didn't even make me feel worse for the wear! ;)

I'll try re-uploading with that size and go from there.
 
I could use a tutorial on the 12x12 pages- I do have all my layered files still and made the mistake of putting some things right up to the edge- not on alot thank goodness! LOL I will never do that again, but yeah, what do I need to do to get my 12x12 psd's to look beautiful in the book, --- thanks from a newbie!!!!
 
evelester said:
I could use a tutorial on the 12x12 pages- I do have all my layered files still and made the mistake of putting some things right up to the edge- not on alot thank goodness! LOL I will never do that again, but yeah, what do I need to do to get my 12x12 psd's to look beautiful in the book, --- thanks from a newbie!!!!
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With the PSD's it's no problem! What program are you using? In PSE, I do this... open the PSD in the PSE Editor and then go to Image (along the top)>Resize>Canvas Size, check the box for "Relative" and resize the width and height to 0.25 inches. This should make your canvas larger but your page will remain the same size. Then simply enlarge your BG paper to fill the canvas. Then make sure really important stuff is at least 1/3 inch away (like journaling) from each edge.
 
ahhh, that sounds simple enough! LOL I use PSP but it is basically the same! I will go resize all my layouts ASAP, and from now on start with them that size! LOL
 
evelester said:
how much of the left and right side will be lost by binding? will the .25 accommidate for that as well?
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The added .25 (which actually is 1/8 for each edge) is for trimming. So, you upload the 12.25 and then they trim it to 12x12 to create "full bleed" pages (taking 1/8" off each edge). Then that's why I place important stuff at least 1/3 inch from each edge to allow for the binding. ;)
 
Your book looks awesome! I want to do one for a Christmas present for someone and have been checking around.
 
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