crap.. what?!

lauren grier

lauren grier

you're like stars
since when is a chicken pox vaccine a requirement for school?? :blink: I mean when I refused it I would have assumed ce's dr would have mentioned that.. Ce's new school just called me and told me. crap balls. grrr. one more thing to get taken care of I guess.. wth..
 
It changed in the last 5 years I think, but it probably varies by state. I ended up having to vac Alex for CP cause he never got it, but Henry & Jack both had it so we skipped. Still waiting on Sam. I could have exposed him to CP this summer (some friends' kids had it) but decided to hold off since I was dying of morning sickness. Maybe next year.
 
We can't opt out here except for religious reasons or if your dr signs a note that medically they can't have it.
 
I just went to the RI health website... this new rule started august 1st 2009 that they have had to have had 2 doses of chicken pox vac.. Ce had the first one >against my wishes< .. seriously. wtf. I found the thing about religious & doctor exemptions just now.. I already made a dr appt for him on monday, I'll talk to him about it then.. just a stupid pita. Why do they need this vac. geezus.
 
these are the exemption rules for PA, but I don't know how easy it is to actually "use" them, especially B!!

(a) Medical exemption. Children need not be immunized if a physician or the physician’s designee provides a written statement that immunization may be detrimental to the health of the child. When the physician determines that immunization is no longer detrimental to the health of the child, the child shall be immunized according to this subchapter.

(b) Religious exemption. Children need not be immunized if the parent, guardian or emancipated child objects in writing to the immunization on religious grounds or on the basis of a strong moral or ethical conviction similar to a religious belief.
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Because it saves school districts tons of money. Seriously, La. Sure, CP is vicious if you get a bad dose and can kill. But the majority of it is how much school districts miss out on funds from those kids in early elemenary years missing out on school from CP, especially if there is a breakout. (yes, my conspiracy theory of the day).

We cannot find a single family around here to expose our kids because EVERYONE gets vaccinated. We tried hard, then finally gave in with C because CP is harder to deal with the older you get, and can cause all sorts of other problems. Russ had the when he was 17 and it was hell on him while he had it. My mom had recurring shingles from her bout with CP at an older age, too (or at least that's what her rheumatoid dr. told her was the cause). Aiden will be getting his this next check up, too, just for the fact that we can't find exposure anywhere. No one gets them around here any longer.
 
That isn't fair...what if you don't believe in doing vaccines? I mean, my girls both had it, but still...not fair!
 
Yep, I think CP should be a choice, but unless it's religious or medical reasons they have to have it, I know for sure here.
 
yeh ours is missing the last line LOL... I'm not religious, and I feel wrong lying behind that saying I am and that's why I am against it. I could get behind the moral/ethical thing.. but like I said our exemptions doesn't include that blurb :p
 
I know the reqs changed here 2 years ago..but I was able to opt out on mine so far b/c all 3 i school have had CP
 
Darcy Baldwin said:
Because it saves school districts tons of money. Seriously, La. Sure, CP is vicious if you get a bad dose and can kill. But the majority of it is how much school districts miss out on funds from those kids in early elemenary years missing out on school from CP, especially if there is a breakout. (yes, my conspiracy theory of the day).

We cannot find a single family around here to expose our kids because EVERYONE gets vaccinated. We tried hard, then finally gave in with C because CP is harder to deal with the older you get, and can cause all sorts of other problems. Russ had the when he was 17 and it was hell on him while he had it. My mom had recurring shingles from her bout with CP at an older age, too (or at least that's what her rheumatoid dr. told her was the cause). Aiden will be getting his this next check up, too, just for the fact that we can't find exposure anywhere. No one gets them around here any longer.
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see this is the thing.. I just do not get vac'ing for it. it's a childhood disease.. I hate this bubble world. It will be so much worse for them if they get it when they're older.. and you know unless they wipe CP off the face of the planet somehow, most of these kids who were vac'd will still get it at some point. sigh. gr.
gr. lol
 
Darcy Baldwin said:
Because it saves school districts tons of money. Seriously, La. Sure, CP is vicious if you get a bad dose and can kill. But the majority of it is how much school districts miss out on funds from those kids in early elemenary years missing out on school from CP, especially if there is a breakout. (yes, my conspiracy theory of the day).

We cannot find a single family around here to expose our kids because EVERYONE gets vaccinated. We tried hard, then finally gave in with C because CP is harder to deal with the older you get, and can cause all sorts of other problems. Russ had the when he was 17 and it was hell on him while he had it. My mom had recurring shingles from her bout with CP at an older age, too (or at least that's what her rheumatoid dr. told her was the cause). Aiden will be getting his this next check up, too, just for the fact that we can't find exposure anywhere. No one gets them around here any longer.
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Same here too, Darcy. I went ahead w/ the shots for Abby b/c I can't find anyone to expose her to anywhere. :cursing:
 
I think PA's chaanged too because my older two got "re shot" at their check ups in May. Neither of my boys have had the first shot yet....so I think they will be OK with only the one just before starting school.

BTW just for anyone that dosent vaccinate or delys and/or selects like me....you can get blood test done called titers to show immunity to measles, mumps, and rubella, a tetanus diphtheria booster, a Mantoux TB test for tuberculosis, and a hepatitis B vaccine. Just because "THEY" say you need 4 doses of DTaP.....dosen't mean you do.....your child could be immune after as little as one dose!!!
 
lauren grier said:
see this is the thing.. I just do not get vac'ing for it. it's a childhood disease.. I hate this bubble world. It will be so much worse for them if they get it when they're older.. and you know unless they wipe CP off the face of the planet somehow, most of these kids who were vac'd will still get it at some point. sigh. gr.
gr. lol
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Unfortunately, CP can be deadly. IMO, that's why there's all the hullabaloo about having kids vaccinated against it. I can say from experience, a bad case of CP is hell. I had them when I was 9, they were literally everywhere. On my brain (causing seizures and fever spikes to 107°), on my lungs (causing respiratory distress), a few on my heart (causing irregular rhythms), inside my stomach, everywhere. I spent a week in isolation at the hospital. The doctors were pretty convinced that I'd have died if my mother had gone to work as planned on the day I had the first seizure.

That said, I fought vaxing my own boys. I was warned that they could have bad reactions to the vaccine, worse than what I went through. JP's father eventually had him vaxed, around age 4. Andrew really wanted D to have this vaccine, so he had it on schedule. He did react, but not in a bad way. Just 15-20 pox on his legs.
 
Virginia started requiring it a couple years ago. DS1 has a waiver in his folder. It's a religious exemption & I decided to take to it say that I personally have faith that it is wrong for my child to have the vax. Which is true. But I have no church to back me up. He'll be getting the vax at his next yearly check up though because at this point there is no one for him to catch it from.

DS2 has had the vax because he was waitlisted for the pre-k program the public school runs & not having the vax could have put him further down on the list. This made me question my faith. :)
 
Darcy Baldwin said:
Because it saves school districts tons of money. Seriously, La. Sure, CP is vicious if you get a bad dose and can kill. But the majority of it is how much school districts miss out on funds from those kids in early elemenary years missing out on school from CP, especially if there is a breakout. (yes, my conspiracy theory of the day).

We cannot find a single family around here to expose our kids because EVERYONE gets vaccinated. We tried hard, then finally gave in with C because CP is harder to deal with the older you get, and can cause all sorts of other problems. Russ had the when he was 17 and it was hell on him while he had it. My mom had recurring shingles from her bout with CP at an older age, too (or at least that's what her rheumatoid dr. told her was the cause). Aiden will be getting his this next check up, too, just for the fact that we can't find exposure anywhere. No one gets them around here any longer.
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You need to move down closer to the border to get exposure! We have lots of exposure here in SoCal!!

My older three all had CP...but my oldest only had like one or two pox, so I've been told there is a good chance he can get it again. It would be awful for him now since he's an adult. My youngest had the vaccine, and then we got notification that those who received only one dose had to get another one (this was like three years ago). I called the doctor and they told me that he was fine with just the one dose. Now...I don't know what to believe. I would hate for these guys as adults to get CP.
 
I'm still holding out for a local pox party. :) Of course, we'll be homeschooling for awhile. So, the school requirement won't apply to us for awhile, and Ian has a medical reason to not get it because of his reactions to his last 3 vaccinations. We're like you, La. We don't see the point to the CP vax, at all.
 
ok so I stay away from these threads because they sometimes get heated...but I just have to share MY experience. I got Nathan the vaccine but he seemed to have gone to school before they started requiring the booster.

Anyway, I believe in a parent's right to choose a vaccinating schedule for thier own children. That being said, I had a really tough time because of a friend of mine's choice to not vaccinate for CP, so I'm sensitive about it. I was watching her daughter as a favor to her during the period of time between her going to work and our kiddos leaving for school in the morning (1st grade).

Her daughter got chicken pox, as she didn't believe in the vaccine. By the time we figured out she had CP, my family had been exposed. Which was no big deal for Nathan as he had had the vaccine. But my 11 week old, 6 lb Naomi got it and it was the most miserable week of my life. Just something to think about. *sigh* (on a side note, Naomi has a note from the doctor for the school, excusing her from the vaccine as she's had the disease).
 
amandabarugh said:
Yes, this, but then again, Darcy, we have the benefit of living in Texas, which is pretty laid back about everything, at least in my experience.
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YES, Texas is like a different country girls!!! OMG! The Northeast is SO not like it is down here! Laws seem like suggestions down here.... ;)
 
I think the point of the vaccination is that the virus is super distruptive to the school system because kids are out for 2-3 weeks or so if they get the chicken pox.... and then if one kid gets it, gives it to the next, etc... it can be months before the class is all back together. It use to be common to let kids have mumps too... until the same issues caused them to develop the vax back in the late 60s. My opinion is that it is a "vax of convenience" however I also like the fact that I am preventing my sons from the misery of chicken pox. I had them and it was horrible. I'd never wish it on anyone.
 
We declined the MMR for "religious" reasons...all they do is make you sign a paper. You don't have to get up in front of a jury and lie, lol. I don't understand the hullabaloo about the CP vaccine though..have they linked that one to Autism too?
 
i'll be the brat and play the other side of this....

although i appreciate people having the choice not to vaccinate their kids...

but as the momma of a child who has to live on immunosuppressing meds, i don't like it....

if a kid came down w/ something serious they could put other children in serious harm especially those w/ decreased immune systems.....

just my 2 cents though and of course i know the flip side a good friend of mine is completely anti-vaccs.... ;)

(but speaking of CP... isn't that like a little kid's right of passage?!!? omg i remember getting them from my brother, NOT pretty!)

good luck la!

xo
 
I completely get what you're saying Lauren. We're not completely anti-vaccines. We were selectively vaccinating on a delayed schedule. The only vaccine that my oldest hasn't received is CP (and flu, but that doesn't count, IMO), and that's because we would rather she get CP. Crazy, I know.

Ian, our babe, is a different story. He has started having reactions that have been getting worse and worse. So, we just said forget it. Not worth the possibility that the next one will make him really sick, kwim? We have gone from one end of the spectrum to the next on this issue because of our kiddos. We started delaying because of Aidan's health, and now, we're really concerned about giving our kids anymore because of Ian's last reaction.

It's just such a tough parenting decision. There are pros and cons on both sides, IMO.
 
Traci Reed said:
We declined the MMR for "religious" reasons...all they do is make you sign a paper. You don't have to get up in front of a jury and lie, lol. I don't understand the hullabaloo about the CP vaccine though..have they linked that one to Autism too?
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Our issues with the CP vaccine is that a)kids that get the vaccine can still get the CP and shingles. b) you have to get a booster so it's only a temporary immunity. c)it's a live vaccine made with food products.
 
Traci - I skip CP vac because I don't see the point. I think it's far riskier to get the CP in your 30's as an adult because your vaccination wore off than it would be to get them when you are 3 or 4. Just my thoughts.

I am not super crunchy by any means but I don't accept vacs as being good just because the government tells me they are. I don't do vacs that aren't required by law (flu, meningitis...not sure what else we've passed on right now) and I don't do CP. My older 3 have been vac'd pretty much otherwise although I guess Jack hasn't had boosters they do at age 5 (he's homeschooled so no rush). My youngest has severe allergies and had high fevers and severe fussiness at his early vacs so he hasn't had any since he was under a year old. I"m not sure if we will get him up to date later or not.
 
Oh and you guys with no pox friends - wow! I get emails every spring / summer from friends that have them.
 
My issue with the chicken pox shot is that when it was first released, they said if there were boosters needed, it would be after 10 to 15 years. It was brand new when my 15 year old was a baby, and then at a year, it wasn't covered by our insurance and was $50 at the health dept., so I said no thanks. He got the pox on his 2nd birthday, and gave them to his sister, who was three months old at the time (btw, breastfeeding does not give infants immunity from the pox, no matter what the older ladies tell you). So my oldest two have immunity. My daughter, who is now 13, was required to have 1 dose of the shot for school this year, but I just wrote a note that said she had them in 1996 and sent it to the school. My son's immunity was noted when he got his required shots for high school -- I did let them give him meningitis (required here for college) and HepA (not required, but he ticked me off the night before, so let him have it).

My youngest had the vaccine, but I haven't gotten her booster and she's almost 10. I will probably do it when the state requires it. When my son had them, he had a horrible reaction to the actual varicella virus, causing seizures, so I'd rather not see if that runs in the family.
 
It is a very tough decision and I'm sure a hard one when you don't agree with the vaccinations. That being said, I just wanted to put my 2 cents in with my experiences...

My lil brother was before the whole CP vaccine thing and he got CP BAD!!! And ended up with Bell's Palsy as a result of the nasty case of CP he had. His Bell's Palsy will probably come back later in his life.

Also, we had my son vaccinated for meningitis - the PneumoVax 23 - the one they give to adults. He was only 2 when we had this done. This was because he had meningitis when he was 7 months old, lost his hearing and got cochlear implants. Since cochlear implants give bugs a direct route to his brain, they make it pretty much mandatory that you get this vaccine. Having been through meningitis with him, I will do ANYTHING to make sure he never gets it again!

Good luck La! Just get as much education as you can and fight it if you decide that that is the best thing for you and Ce!
 
My mom just got the "shingles" shot last week.

I so generously gave my brother the CP when he was 6 weeks old...and he got it again when he was adult and had it pretty bad! He wishes he had gotten the shot.
 
also just because you have the CP vacs it doesn't mean that you won't get the CP. Case in point, my friends son, had the CP vac, and has had 2 mild cases of CP. My girls have been exposed to CP numerous times and never got them. We did do the CP vacs. anyway.

Shingles are CP too. When I got Shingles (early 40's) last summer the doctor said they are seeing more and more "young" people getting shingles as the varicella virus lies dormant in our body and then just decides to come out again. (usually stress, and other things will complicate it). I had CP and don't remember it being that bad but I was really young (my mom had 3 of us with them at one time, older two had shared it earlier). The Shingles though (I had them on the nerve line on the edge of my hair line.. hurt like a SOB) I know that one of the ideas is that if you don't get CP then the cases of Shingles should decrease as well.
 
I also meant to add that here in WA you can opt out of vac, but if there is a break out then they can ask you to not come to school during that time.
 
U could just move here La, they don't vac for chicken pox here at all! Both mine had it in 2007 as did I, lucky me... LOL
 
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